Benjamin Heim Shepard and Eric Laursen talk about Orwell and his friends, the fights he had, we had and the ways to learn from them. 

Eric Laursen is the author of The Duty to Stand Aside: Nineteen Eighty-Four and the Wartime Quarrel of George Orwell and Alex Comfort and Polymath: The Life and Professions of Dr. Alex Comfort, Author of The Joy of Sex.

Benjamin Shepard is author of  On Activism, Friendships, and Fighting: Oral Histories, Strategies, and Conflicts.